Peter Brown Family History

Robert Payne (c1450)

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General History

Robert Payne was maybe possibly be an ancestor of mine, but the links to John Payne of Plawhatch (my ancestors) are not yet found. (See Verification below items 1 & 2) . These Paynes were collectively known as "Paynes of the Towne" and the family group has been mapped to about 1620. This overlaps with the Plawhatch groups (1520-1680) so provide an overall picture of Payne's in Eastgrinstead. There is also a third group of Payne's called "Paynes of Stonelands" from Ardingly & West Hoathly.

Robert Payne was possibly born around 1650. He was fined for 'tenements' in East Grinstead under Henry Vii (1487/88)

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Robert had at least two children- All details taken from Source 1& 2

  1. John Payne (Senior) was born in about 1480 probably in East Grinstead. He left a 'Will' dated 8th July 1507 and proved 9th October 1508 and presumably died in 1508. He married Elizabeth who was executor to his 'Will'. He held the manor of Pickstones (Pyckesdonns) in Forest Row which Elizabeth inherited and then son John. John & Elizabeth had at least four children.
    1. John Payne was born in about 1500 probably in East Grinstead . He purchased land in East Grinstead in 1540 and he was named in cousin John Payne of the Wald 'Will' of 1546. .John probably had at least one child
      1. John Payne was born in about 1535 probably in East Grinstead (derived as no birth record exists). He married Alice. John was buried on 30th March 1588 in East Grinstead, Sussex (' of Pickstones') and Alice was buried there on 4th January 1599 (' Alice, widow of John of Pickstones). John & Alice had maybe six children (source 2).
        1. John Payne was baptised on 20th February 1581 in East Grinstead, Sussex '(son of John Paine junior of Pickstones'). He maybe married Margaret. John was possibly buried on 16th May 1633 in East Grinstead, Sussex (' John of Pickstones') and Margaret was possibly buried there on 13th February 1637 ('widow'). John & Margaret had six children.
          1. John Payne was baptised on 17th September 1615 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          2. Margaret Payne was baptised on 6th July 1617 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          3. Edward Payne was baptised on 4th March 1619 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          4. Ann Payne was baptised on 11th March 1621 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          5. William Payne was baptised on 17th July 1625 in East Grinstead, Sussex
        2. Thomas Payne was baptised on 27th January 1583 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of John of Pickstones'). He was buried there on 20th December 1598 ('Thomas, son of John of Pickstones')
        3. Elizabeth Payne was baptised on 5th April 1585 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('daughter of John of Pickstones').
        4. Joan Payne was buried on 8th August 1587 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('daughter of John of Pickstones')..
        5. Sackville Payne was baptised on 28th September 1589 in East Grinstead, Sussex (of Pickstones) and was buried there on 18th October 1589 ('son of John Payne of Pickstones').
        6. Jeremy Payne (Jeremie) was baptised on 10th January 1591 in East Grinstead, Sussex (of Pickstones). He married Joan Crippes (Johane) on 5th September 1614 in East Grinstead, Sussex . Jeremy & Joan had three children. Jeremy probably secondly married Jane Humphrey on 23rd June 1628 in Southover, Sussex. (license issued at Lewes and shows Jeremy Payne of Eastgrinsted, yeoman, & Jane Humphray of same, maiden with additional sureties by John Payne of same, yeoman).
          1. John Payne was baptised in September 1615 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          2. Dorothy Payne was baptised on 2nd February 1621 in East Grinstead, Sussex
          3. Jeremy Payne was baptised on 27th February 1623 in East Grinstead, Sussex. He married Mary Garrett on 3rd July 1649 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        7. Anne Payne was baptised on 8th October 1592 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('daughter of John of Pickstones').
        8. William Payne was baptised on 6th March 1596 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of John Payne of Pickstones'.
    2. George Payne was born in about 1500 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in father's will of 1507. He married Agnes and had children. He left a 'Will' dated 29th August 1537 and proved 7th November 1538 and presumably died in 1538. George & Agnes had at least four children but she was pregnant at the time of George's death and only the first four below are mentioned in the 'Will'..
      1. John Payne was born in about 1532 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex.- He was mentioned in father's will of 1537 and inherited Burstow park. He married Mary Mabbe, daughter of Nicholas Mabbe of Hamsey. He left a 'Will' dated 12th December 1579 and he died on 19th January and was buried on 20th January 1580 in East Grinstead, Sussex.('of ye Towne'). John Payne, a burgess of the town at that time, in his 'Will' gave to his cousin, Roger Hayte, his tenement and "Smythes fforge now in the occupacon of Joseph Duffield and John Larke scytuat in East Greensted." From the fact of its being styled "le fforge in Burge de Est Greensted" in an inquisition held in 1580 on the death of its owner, John Payne, it would seem to have been the only forge within the limits of the borough.
      2. Joan Payne was born in about 1534 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex.She was mentioned in her father's will of 1537.
      3. Edward Payne was born in about 1536 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in father's 'Will' of 1537 and was overseer to his brother John's 'Will' of 1579. He married Katheryn Losco. Edward left a 'Will' dated 10th June 1599 and was buried on 14th June 1599 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('Edward the Elder') and Katherine was buried there on 9th February 1600 (' Katerren, wife of Edward the elder'). Edward & Katherine had maybe four children (but source 1 says three- no John).
        1. Edward Payne was baptised on 1st December 1560 in East Grinstead, Sussex. He was named in his uncle John's 'Will' of 1579. He married Anna Payne on 23rd October 1583 in Twineham, Sussex. Anna was the daughter and heir of John Payne, of Hicksted, and granddaughter of John Payne, of Hicksted, who died in 1545. Edward & Anna had six children. Edward left a 'Will' dated 29th September 1639 and was buried on 27th April 1643 in East Grinstead, Sussex aged 83. Anna left a 'Will' dated 13th March 1642 and proved in 1648.
          1. Timothy Payne (Timothee) was baptised on 3rd October 1585 in East Grinstead, Sussex. (no parents shown,but Source 1 says Edward). She married William Alfrey on 4th May 1601 in East Grinstead, Sussex and had children.
          2. Agnes Payne was baptised on 15th September 1588 in East Grinstead, Sussex (no parents shown) and she was buried there on 14th October 1588 ('dau of Edward').
          3. Susan Payne (Suzan) was baptised on 1st November 1590 in East Grinstead, Sussex.(no parents shown,but Source 1 says Edward). She married Thomas Dyne on 16th September 1608 in London (Banns in East Grinstead). Susan was buried on 8th November 1645 in East Grinstead, Sussex.(For further details of descendants etc see source 1).
          4. Ano Payne was buried in 1591 in East Grinstead, Sussex. ('of Edward')
          5. Edward Payne was baptised on 21st October 1593 in East Grinstead, Sussex.('of the Towne'). He married Hannah Yerwood (daughter of Richard Yerwood) on 22nd April 1619 at Southwark, London. Edward & Hannah had children Anne, Edward (born 1622), Timothy, Susan, Richard, John, George, Katherine, Robert, Charles & Henry. Edward left a 'Will' dated 14th October 1658 and was buried on about 15th October 1660 in East Grinstead, Sussex (exact day not shown- between 15-19). (For further details of descendants etc see source 1).
          6. John Payne was probably born in East Grinstead, Sussex and was buried there on 31stOctober 1595 ('son of Edward')
          7. Catherine Payne was baptised on 17th April 1597 in East Grinstead, Sussex. (For further details of descendants etc see source 1).
          8. Anne Payne was baptised on 6th December 1601 in East Grinstead, Sussex. Anne left a 'Will' dated 28th June 1679 and was buried on 26th December 1680 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        2. George Payne was born about 1562 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex. He was named in his uncle John's 'Will' of 1579. George left a 'Will' dated 17th May 1620 and proved 5th August 1620 and presumably died in 1620.
        3. John Payne was baptised on 1st January 1564 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        4. Mildred Payne was baptised on 2nd May 1568 in East Grinstead, Sussex. She was named in her uncle John's 'Will' of 1579.
      4. Clemence Payne was born in about 1537 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1537. She married (source 1) John Farley and had children David, John, Harry, Elizabeth, Judy, Fortune, Katherine & Joan. John and the children were named in brother John's will of 1579.
      5. George Payne was born in 1539 probably in East Grinstead, Sussex (derived as no birth record exists-wife pregnant on husbands death -see narative above on father). He had children (source 2)
        1. George Payne was baptised on 24th June 1565 in East Grinstead, Sussex
        2. Fortune Payne was baptised on 1st January 1568 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        3. John Payne was baptised on 1st January 1570 in East Grinstead, Sussex. He maybe had maybe five children (but these children may be allocated to the wrong John Payne and Henry Payne is guesswork except that he is related to a George Payne).
          1. Henry Payne was baptised on 18th April 1591 East Grinstead (no parents shown so guesswork). He married Joan Hall. Details of Henry Payne & Joan Hall are shown separately.
          2. George Payne was baptised on 13th February 1594 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('of Blackwell')
          3. Edward Payne was baptised on 12th September 1596 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of John of Blackwell') and he was buried there on 20th October 1596 ('son of John of Blackwell')
          4. Rachell Payne was baptised on 20th November 1597 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('of Blackwell')
          5. William Payne was baptised on 5th July 1601 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of John of Blackwell')
        4. Edward Payne was baptised on 3rd August 1572 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        5. William Payne was baptised on 14th February 1574 in East Grinstead, Sussex
    3. other daughters mentioned in father's 'Will' of 1507, but not named.
  2. John Payne (Junior) was born in about 1485 probably in East Grinstead. He inherited "Shoebery's" in Ashhurstwood under his brother's will of 1507 and named as Overseer.He had a child
    1. John Payne was born in about 1510 probably in East Grinstead. Lived at Wald Farm, East Grinstead. He married Clement. John left a 'Will' proved on 1st December 1546 and Clement left a 'Will' dated 1st September 1559 and was proved 8th March 1560 and presumably died in 1560. John & Clement had maybe eight children.
      1. John Payne was born in about 1535 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1546 and in his mother's 'Will' of 1559 (and had children) and inherited 'Showberis' in Ashurstwood . He married Margaret. Margaret was buried on 9th May 1589 in East Grinstead, Sussex (' wife of John of Assherst') and John was buried there on 31st December 1597 ('John of Asherhurstwood'). John & Margaret had two known children.
        1. Elizabeth Payne was baptised on 30th May 1584 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('of Assherstwood').
        2. Henry Payne was buried on 5th January 1588 in East Grinstead, Sussex. ('Harrie son of John of Assherst').
      2. Thomas Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1546 and in his mother's 'Will' of 1559. He married Joan (Johane) who was buried on 20th May 1585 on East Grinstead, Sussex (' wife of Thomas'). Thomas & Joan had seven known children. Thomas maybe married secondly Marie Kingwood on 5th November 1585 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
        1. Joan Payne (Joane) was baptised on 4th July 1573 in East Grinstead, Sussex (no parents shown)
        2. Thomas Payne was baptised on 4th July 1573 in East Grinstead, Sussex (no parents shown)
        3. Thomas Payne was baptised on 12th December 1574 in East Grinstead, Sussex and he was buried there on 27th January 1576 (' son of Thomas')
        4. Ann Payne was probably born in East Grinstead, Sussex and was buried there on 12th July 1577 ('daughter of Thomas')
        5. Edward Payne was baptised on 22nd May 1580 in East Grinstead, Sussex
        6. Ano Payne was probably born in East Grinstead, Sussex and was buried there on 26th September 1582 ('son of Thomas').
        7. Eleanor Payne was probably born in East Grinstead, Sussex and was buried there on 12th September 1585 ('Elener, daughter of Thomas')
      3. Henry Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. Had lease of Wald Farm in East Grinstead under fathers 'Will' of 1546 and was mentioned in his mother's 'Will' of 1559. He married Elizabeth Humphrey (Humffrie) on 19th October 1563 in East Grinstead, Sussex. Henry left a 'Will' dated 9th May 1580 and he was buried on 4th January 1581 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('Harrie Paine of Wallhill'). Elizabeth was mentioned in her husband's 'Will' and was maybe buried on 18th December 1580 in East Grinstead, Sussex (shown as 'Mother Payne'). ( SxG says January 1581 but not in register). Henry & Elizabeth had six known children.
        1. Robert Payne was born in about 1565 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1580. He maybe married Agnes Fletcher on 27th November 1597 in Friston, Sussex. Robert left a 'Will' dated 1612 and he was buried on 21st May 1612 . Agnes was named in the 'Will'. Robert & Agnes had three known children
          1. Richard Payne was born in about 1600 probably in Forest Row, Sussex. He possibly married Susan Wicking (see Drew Wicking 1569 ref 8) on 8th September 1631 at Lewes (License issued at Lewes and Robert shown as yeoman of Eastgrinsted & Susan "Wicken" of same, maiden with sureties by Thomas Velvicke of same) . (For further details of descendants etc see source 1).
          2. Eleanor Payne was born in about 1602 probably in Forest Row, East Grinstead, Sussex.
          3. Elizabeth Payne was born in about 1604 probably in Forest Row, East Grinstead, Sussex.
        2. Richard Payne was possibly baptised on 24th August 1565 in East Grinstead, Sussex (parents not shown). He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1580. He probably married Mary and had six children.
          1. Frances Payne (Frauncis, dau) was baptised on 26th March 1598 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
          2. Mary Payne (Marrye)was baptised on 9th March 1600 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
          3. Robert Payne was baptised on 12th September 1602 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
          4. Ann Payne (Annys) was baptised on 11th August 1605 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
          5. Judith Payne (Jeudeth) was baptised on 28th October 1607 in East Grinstead, Sussex.
          6. Richard Payne was baptised on 21st July 1611 in East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of Richard & Mary').
        3. Edward Payne was born in about 1568 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1580
        4. John Payne was born in about 1570 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1580. He maybe had children.
        5. Joyce Payne was born in about 1572 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1580
        6. Joan Payne was born in about 1574 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1580
      4. Simon Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1546 and was executor to his mother's 'Will' of 1559.
      5. Agnes Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1546.
      6. Joan Payne (Joane) was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1546 and in her mother's 'Will' of 1559.
      7. Julian Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1546 (as unmarried) and in her mother's 'Will' of 1559 (as married with children).
      8. Alice Payne was born in about 1540 probably in East Grinstead. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1546 (as unmarried and under 20) and in her mother's 'Will' of 1559.

Personal History Click to return to 'Top of Page'

Taken from History of East Grinstead.

Edward Payne (1593-1660) and descendants who, as ironmasters and landowners, rose to considerable affluence in East Grinstead and the neighbouring district during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Edwrd was Sheriff of Sussex in 1644, and dying in 1660 was buried at East Grinstead.
At his death he owned freeholds, burgages and Portlands in East Grinstead and Hartfield, the manor and lands of Gravetye and Wildgoose, Goddenwick Farm in Lindfield, John Bartholomew's house in East Grinstead, Cooke's Mead (ten acres held of Irnberhorne Manor), Pilsliers or Gallows Croft (three acres near East Grinstead Common and now forming part of the Halsford estate), the manor and farm of Burley Arches in Worth, a farm and lands in Barcombe and the manors and farm of Chiddingly in West Hoathly. The Hicksted property in Twineham thus came to the Paynes of East Grinstead by marriage in 1583.

Edward Payne (1622-1688) was bailiff of the borough town. This was the eldest son of Edward Payne ((1593-1660). The second son Richard (1629- 1694), a considerable landowner, settled at Lewes and there founded a thriving family, he himself being Sheriff of Sussex in 1690, and his son Richard becoming M.P. for Lewes at intervals between 1702 and 1707. The third son, Robert (1632-1708), of Newick and East Grinstead, founded in East Grinstead the Free School. In the year 1661, we find them applying for, and obtaining, a grant of arms from the Heralds' College,duly issued to " Edward Payne, Richard, Robert, Charles and Henry, his brothers, the sons of Mr. Edward Payne, late of East Grinstead, in the County of Sussex, deceased."
The male line of this particular family of Paynes died out in East Grinstead upon the death of Charles Payne, of East Grinstead and Newick, Esq., in 1734, but his only surviving daughter and heir, Miss Anna Payne (1732-1797), married, in 1760, Gibbs Crawfurd, of Saint Hill, J.P.,

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  1. Taken from 'History of East Grinstead'. the Payne family , descended from John Payne of Plawhatch, was quite distinct from the " Paynes of the towne,". They occupied small farms on the extreme south border of our large parish and on the verge of Ashdown Forest; such farms were Plawhatch, Legsheath, Monks-hill, Mawles, Walesbeech and, later, Charlwoods, and all owned by some member of the family of what we may call the Paynes of Legsheath, though they seem to have been earlier known as the Paynes of Plawhatch. A bird's-eye view of John Payne's ancestry may be given as follows, and its connection with farms in the parish gives it special interest:—
    1. John Payne, of Monkshill, Yeoman (probably of Plawhatch in 1562), owned freehold lands called Malls ; buried at East Grinstead as John Payne, senr., of Monkhill, in 1597.
    2. John Payne, of Maules, Yeoman, owned 7 acres at Buncegrove, called Baches, Legsheath and Dockets ; died 1624.
    3. William Payne, of Walesbeech, Yeoman, owned Legsheath, Maules, Dockets ; buried at East Grinstead as William Paine, of
      Walesbeech, 1657.
    4. William Payne, of Maules, Yeoman (5th son), owned Legsheath and Monkshill; died 1658 ; by his will " to be buried at
      East Grinstead."
    5. William Payne, of Legsheath, owned Velvicks; his brothers, Edward and Robert, lived at Maules and Monkshill; buried at
      East Grinstead as Mr. Wm. Payne, of Legsheath, 1727.
    6. John Payne, of Legslieath, Esqre., owned Maules, while his cousin, Edward, owned Monkshill; Sheriff of Sussex 1738 ; buried at East Grinstead as " John Payne, Esq.," 1760.
  2. Taken from 'History of East Grinstead'. George Payne, son of John Payne, of Pixtons was evidently a yeoman of good substance . His father in 1507 had devised to him the tenement of Beeches (?in Ashurst Wood), but whether George lived there we have no certain information beyond the fact that he seems from the evidence of his own will to have undertaken repair of the road between Forest Row and East Grinstead.

    His elder brother, John, had succeeded his parents at Pixtons and his descendants seem to have owned that farm until, in 1615, John Payne, sen., of Pickstones, and Elizabeth, his wife, sold it to John Goodwin, gent., from whose family it seems to have passed to Mr. John Conyers, who married a Miss Goodwin and was M.P. for East Grinstead in 1695, and later it belonged to Mr. Wicken and the Trulock family. In 1615 the Manor of Pixtons seems to have consisted of one messuage, one barn, one garden, one orchard, 20 acres of arable land, 16 acres of meadow land, 14 acres of pasture, four acres of wood and three acres of moorland, all in East Grinstead, and the whole appears to have been acquired by John Goodwin for the modest sum of £100.

    George Payne left two sons, John and Edward, who both became prominent townsmen of East Grinstead. John was connected with the old almshouses in Church Street, and he was also one of the burgesses of East Grinstead to whom the silver seal was presented in 1572, and a prosperous ironmaster, as mentioned on p. 142.

    Edward, the younger son of the testator, George Payne, born about 1536, was buried at East Grinstead in 1599 as "Edward Paine the Elder." He was a burgess of East Grinstead and had married Katherine Losco, a widow of means belonging to Southwell, Co. Notts. Their eldest son Edward (1560-1642) became the direct ancestor of a long line of Paynes " of the Town," who, as ironmasters and landowners, rose to considerable affluence in East Grinstead and the neighbouring district during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Their daughter Clemence married John Farley, of East Grin stead, and had a numerous family

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Wills:

  1. John Payne left a 'Will' dated 8th July 1507 and was proved on 9th October 1508. (Ref PCC 5 Bennett). He mentions Wife: Elizabeth, Sons: John, George, Brother: John junior. The link is to a transcript of the will.
  2. George Payne left a 'Will' dated 29th August 1537 and was proved on 7th November 1538.. (Ref PCC 21 Dyngeley). He mentions Wife: Agnes; Daughter: Joan, Clemence; Sons: John, Edward; Brother: John; Other: Unborn child. The link is to a transcript of the will.
  3. John Payne left a 'Will' proved on 1st December 1546 (Ref Lewes A1.P131)
  4. Clement Payne left a 'Will' dated 1st September 1559 and was proved 8th March 1560 (ref Chichester X, 66).
  5. John Payne left a 'Will' dated 12th December 1579 and proved 1st January 1580 (Ref PCC 2 Darcy)
  6. Henry Payne left a 'Will' dated 9th May 1580 and proved 13th January 1581. (Lewes A7.P180).
  7. Edward Payne left a 'Will' dated 10th June 1599 and was proved on 29th June 1599 (Ref Lewes A10.P201)
  8. Robert Payne left a 'Will' dated 1612 and was proved on 28th September 1612.
  9. George Payne left a 'Will' dated 17th May 1620 and proved 5th August 1620. (Ref Lewes SM D117)
  10. Edward Payne left a 'Will' dated 29th September 1639 and was proved 8th May 1643. (Ref PCC 35 Crane)
  11. Anna Payne left a 'Will' dated 13th March 1642 and proved in 1648 (Ref PCC 97 Essex)
  12. Edward Payne left a 'Will' dated 14th October 1658 and was proved on 19th October 1660 (Ref PCC 292 Nabbs)
  13. Anne Payne left a 'Will' dated 28th June 1679 and was proved on 14th January 1681 (Ref Lewes A35.P287)

 

Sources Click to return to 'Top of Page'
  1. Sussex Genealogies  (Ardingly Centre) - John Comber 1932
  2. Sussex Record Society -  East Grinstead Parish Registers 1558-1661:
  3. Sussex Record Society – Marriage Licenses at Lewes 1586-1642,1670-1732, 1772-1837 (Volumes 1, 6, 25,26)
  4. Sussex Parish Registers – Ardingly, West Hoathly
  5. Lewes Will Microfilm
  6. Sussex Family History Group-Sussex Marriage Index CD
  7. History of East Grinstead by WALLACE HENRY HILLS,1906
  8. Latter day Saints-Family Search: For initial identification of details only