Peter Brown Family History

Thomas Payne (c1510) & Agnes

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General History

Thomas Payne were one of my 14th generation ancestors.

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Thomas Payne was probably born on about 1510 in Ardingly, Sussex (derived as no birth record found). He was possibly the son of Richard Payne. He lived at Stone Place in Ardingly, Sussex and was shown as owning Stone Place alias Stonelands alias Stonelands Manor in West Hoathly in 1546 (- see Archives item 1 & 4). The South Mailing Court records show Thomas Payne as paying 8d for rent at Stone Place in Ardingly in 1578 (folio 348) as well as “Rent of Assise to Colemanshatche”, rental to the Treasmer (?) Lord of Malling for Lindfield  and “rent of assise of Turners Hill”. (Note: a later folio (357) also in 1578 shows a Richard Payne paying 8d for Stone Place). The Court records also show in 1565 Thomas Payne of Stone as a juror. (see archives). He was a witness to the 'Will' of Thomas Culpeper of Wakehurst in 1571 as was his wife Agnes (see archives) and he was mentioned in Thomas Payne of Westhill 'Will' of 1573. Thomas died before September 1578 (Death presented at South Mailing Court on 18th September 1578).
Stone Place/ Stonelands is north of Hapstead in Ardingly, near the border with West Hoathly off the Selsfield road

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Thomas probably had at least four children.

John Thomas Edward Richard
  1. John Payne was probably born in about 1534 in Ardingly, Sussex. He married Joan Infield. Details of John Payne & Joan Infield are shown separately as they are direct ancestors.
  2. Thomas Payne was probably born in about 1536 in Ardingly, Sussex. A document presented at the South Malling Court in 1578 that Thomas' son Thomas inherited Stone and he was shown in 1583 as paying the rent of 8d. He was overseer to his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1582 and Thomas Payne of Stone was also recorded as a juror in 1583 and 1585 in the South Mailing Court. Thomas married firstly Joan in about 1556. Joan was buried on 5th March 1562 in Ardingly, Sussex ('Jone, wife of Thomas of Stone'). Thomas & Joan had two children (A-B). He married secondly Anne Comber (Annis) on 26th November 1562 in Ardingly, Sussex. Thomas & Anne had nine children (C-K). Thomas was buried in late 1586 in Ardingly, Sussex ('Thomas of Stone'). An entry for 12th April 1587 South Mailing Court records the death of Thomas Payne as "Died holding tenement and land called Stone Place at a rent of 8d - Richard Payne is his eldest son and heir"
    1. Richard Payne was probably born in about 1556 in Ardingly, Sussex. He lived at Bursty & Stone Place in Ardingly. In 1590 and 1592 Richard Payne of Stone served as a juror at the South Mailing Court. Richard married Joan Nicholas on 14th October 1582 in Ardingly, Sussex. Richard was executor to John Payne's 'Will' of 1592. Richard & Joan had possibly eleven children.
      1. Thomas Payne was baptised on 23rd August 1584 in Ardingly, Sussex. He was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly
      2. Edward Payne was baptised on 20th March 1586 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Richard of Stone'). He was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly
      3. Richard Payne was baptised on 14th May 1587 in Ardingly, Sussex. He was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly.
      4. John Payne was baptised on 31st March 1588 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Rochard of Bursty') and he was buried there on 12th March 1590 ('son of Richard of Stone').
      5. George Payne was baptised on 26th October 1589 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Richard of Stone'). He was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly and under 21.
      6. Elizabeth Payne was baptised on 11th March 1593 in Ardingly, Sussex. She was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly. Elizabeth was an ancestor of John Howes who provided the following information.
        Elizabeth married William Nicholas in Arundel on 9 Nov 1614. Richard had apparently occupied lands in Arundel during the 1610’s.  A deposition book at WSRO (EP 1/11/16) shows Richard’s son George, a blacksmith, “born in Ardingly age 50” living in Arundel in 1639 where he had “lived some 20 years”. The occupation of Stone was taken up by Richard’s son-in-law William Nicholas who paid £20 5s 8d in the 1621 lay tax records and is cited in a bond dated Jan 27 1640 (SAS D/140). Stone was occupied by the Nicholas family until at least 1785 when the occupant was another William Nicholas (1785 East Sussex Land Tax Records).
      7. Emma Payne (Emme) was baptised on 9th January 1595 in Ardingly, Sussex ('dau of Richard of Stone'). She was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly
      8. Mary Payne was baptised on 20th March 1596 in Ardingly, Sussex ('dau of Richard of Stone'). She was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly
      9. Walter Payne was baptised on 10th April 1599 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Richard') and he was buried there on 16th April 1599 ('son of Richard').
      10. Thomasine Payne (Tomasin) was baptised on 28th December 1600 in Ardingly, Sussex ('daughter of Richard of Bursty'). She was mentioned in Alexander Payne's 'Will' of 1611 as child of Richard Payne of Ardingly and under 16.
      11. Alexander Payne was baptised on 24th July 1603 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Richard') and he was buried there on 23rd March 1604 ('son of Richard').
    2. George Payne was baptised on 3rd May 1558 in Ardingly, Sussex. George was buried on 8th March 1570 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Thomas of Stone').
    3. Thomas Payne was baptised on 10th October 1563 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Thomas of Stone') and he was buried there on 27th April 1570 ('son of Thomas of Stone').
    4. Edward Payne was baptised on 12th August 1565 in Ardingly, Sussex.
    5. Ann Payne was baptised on 26th October 1567 in Ardingly, Sussex ('dau of Thomas of Stone'). She probably married John Brian (of West Hoathly) on 20th January 1592 in Ardingly, Sussex.
    6. Elleanor Payne (Ellner) was baptised on 9th May 1569 in Ardingly, Sussex ('dau of Thomas of Stone'). She probably married John Climent on 16th April 1592 in Ardingly, Sussex.
    7. Elizabeth Payne was baptised on 10th June 1571 in Ardingly, Sussex ('dau of Thomas of Stone').
    8. Henry Payne was baptised on 21st June 1573 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Thomas of Stone'). He maybe possibly (but see also Henry Payne son of Leonard ) married Joan Brocker on 27th February 1598 in Ardingly, Sussex. Joan was buried on 13th February 1631 in Ardingly, Sussex ('Joane, wife of Henry Paine, glover'). (Note: there is a later connection with the Brocker/Brocket family - see Anne Payne daughter of Edward (son of John family ref 1)). Henry left a 'Will' dated 7th January 1633 and was buried on 19th January 1633 in Ardingly, Sussex ('an old man'). Henry & Joan had possibly five children.
      1. Richard Payne was born in about 1600 in Ardingly, Sussex (derived as no birth record found). He was mentioned in his father Henry Payne's 'Will' of 1633 as executor. He possibly married Mary in about 1625. Richard was later Parish Clerk of Ardingly. Mary was buried on 12th March 1637 in Ardingly, Sussex ('wife of Richard Paine, Parish clerk'). Richard & Mary had four children.
        1. Mary Payne was baptised on 12th November 1626 in Ardingly, Sussex.
        2. Elizabeth Payne (Paine) was baptised on 20th December 1629 in Ardingly, Sussex.
        3. Henry Payne was baptised on 15th April 1632 in Ardingly, Sussex. He was mentioned in his grandfather Henry Payne's 'Will' of 1633.
        4. Anne Payne was baptised on 16th February 1637 in Ardingly, Sussex.
      2. Joan Payne was born in about 1600 in Ardingly, Sussex (derived as no birth record found). She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1633 as Joan, wife of Roger Botting. She had at least one child Eleanor who was mentioned in her grandfather Henry Paine's 'Will' of 1633 as Eleanor Botting dau of Roger.
      3. Susan Payne was born in about 1600 in Ardingly, Sussex (derived as no birth record found). She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1633 as Susan, wife of John Paltocke.
      4. Ano Payne (Paine) was buried on 3rd February 1599 in Ardingly, Sussex ('unbaptised child of Henry Paine').
      5. Ano Payne (Paine) was buried on 24th March 1607 in Ardingly, Sussex ('unbaptised child of Henry Paine').
    9. Nicholas Payne was baptised on 12th June 1575 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Thomas of Stone') and he was buried there on 13th June 1575 ('son of Thomas of Stone').
    10. Thomas Payne was baptised on 1st July 1576 in Ardingly, Sussex ('son of Thomas of Stone') and he was buried there on 22nd March 1591 ('son of Thomas of Stone').
    11. John Payne was baptised on 19th June 1578 in Ardingly, Sussex (son of Thomas of Stone).
  3. Edward Payne was probably born in about 1545 in Ardingly, Sussex. He was overseer to his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1582.
  4. Richard Payne was probably born in about 1550 in Ardingly, Sussex. He was indicated as the youngest son at South Mailing Court in 1578 and of full age (source 1 but needs to be verified)

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Wills:

  1. Henry Payne (family ref 2 G) left a 'Will' that was dated 7th January 1633 which was proved on 10th October 1633 . The link is to a transcript of the 'Will'. In the 'Will' he mentions his son Richard (executor) , his daughters Joan (wife of Roger Botting), Susan (wife of John Paltocke); his grandchildren Eleanor Botting dau of Roger, Henry Payne son of Richard. witnesses were Richard Teyton and Richard Cleare

Archives:

  1. In SUSSEX MANORS IN THE FEET OF FINES (1509-1833).
    Stone-Place alias Stonelandys (Manor). Thomas Payne and John Payne, plaintiff's, and John Halle, gent., deforciant Manor of STONE-PLACE alias STONELANDYS and tenements in Ardyngly and Westhothly quitclaimed to plaintiff's and heirs of Thomas Payne (East., 38 Hen. VIII. [1546]).
  2. South Malling Lindfield Walstead Court books - details provided to John Howes by Jeremy Clarke of the Felbridge History Group.
    1. An entry for 12 April 1587 records the death of Thomas. "Died holding tenement and land called Stone Place at a rent of 8d. Richard Payne is his eldest son and heir".
    2. 1578 document presented at the South Malling Court in 1578 that Thomas' son Thomas inherited Stone. 
    3. In 1552 , Richard Payne of Stones was a juror at the session
    4. In 1565 we have Thomas Payne of Stones as a juror, (thus placing the death of Richard as sometime between 1552 and 1565)
    5. Thomas of Stone was recorded as a juror in 1583 and 1585.
    6. In 1578, Thomas of Stone is recorded as paying rent on Stone Place of 8d as well as “Rent of Assise to Colemanshatche”, rental to the Treasmer (?) Lord of Malling for Lindfield  and “rent of assise of Turners Hill”
    7. In 1590 and 1592 we have Richard Payne of Stone serving as a juror at the Court
  3. Extract of Will of Thomas Culpeper of Wakehurst. 16 Feb 1571.
    Witnesses: Thomas Payne of Stone, Richard Backshelde, Richard Pilbeame, Mary the wife of Ninion Ward, Margaret the wife of John Culpeper gent. parson of Ardingly, Agnes the wife of the said Thomas Payne, 
  4. Stonelands , Selsfield Road, West Hoathly

 

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  1. Sussex Genealogies  (Ardingly Centre) - John Comber 1932
  2. Sussex Record Society -  East Grinstead Parish Registers 1558-1661:
  3. Sussex Parish Registers –Ardingly, Cuckfield, East Grinstead, Lindfield, West Hoathly
  4. Sussex Record Society – Marriage Licenses at Lewes 1586-1642,1670-1732, 1772-1837 (Volumes 1, 6, 25,26)
  5. Lewes Will Microfilm
  6. Sussex Family History Group-Sussex Marriage Index CD
  7. Sussex Family History Group - Baptism & Burial records
  8. Sussex Record Society - PM Inquistions summaries
  9. IGI (International Genealogical Index: Latter-day Saints) - batches of parish records: see LINKS-Research Web sites