Peter Brown Family History

John Payne (c1480)

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John Payne was possibly one of my 15th generation ancestors.

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John Payne (of Brambletye) was born in about 1480 possibly in Ardingly, Sussex . He was maybe possibly the son of Thomas Payne & Agnes. He possibly lived later in Horseshoe Farm, Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. Brambletye was close to Ashhurst Wood and also in the area of Pickstones, Walhill, Legsheath & Monkshill (all within 4km). It is assumed that he is linked to the John Paynes of Plawhatch, but this may be incorrect.
John was a witness to his son John Payne's 'Will' of 1555. He is probably shown in the Lay subsidy Rolls of 1524 as being taxed on assets worth £8.

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John had at least three children.

John Edward William
  1. John Payne (of Brambletye) was born in about 1500 possibly in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex and at his death he lived in Horseshoe Farm, Brambletye, Sussex. He married Joan. He is possibly shown in the Lay subsidy Rolls of 1524 in the Hundred of Danehill Sheffield as being taxed on assets worth £6. John left a 'Will dated 15th March 1555 and died prior to 7th July 1559 . John & Joan had seven children.
    1. John Payne was born in about 1528 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1555 as executor and he inherited Wood Place in Waldron (see archives item 3). He married Clemence. John was an Overseer of John Feldwick' 'Will' of 1561 (with Thomas Payne of Stone) and was shown of Horshome (Note: John Feldwick was the brother in law of John Payne of Wickham who died in 1559). John left a 'Will' dated 25th February 1562 and died before 10th April 1562 and was shown as living at Horseshoe Farm, Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. Clemence was mentioned in her husband's 'Will' of 1562 and she remarried John Luxford (see archives item 4) on 10th May 1563 in East Grinstead, Sussex. John Luxford witnessed Edward Payne's 'Will' of 1603. John Payne & Clemence had two children.
      1. John Payne was baptised on 23rd June 1560 East Grinstead, Sussex ('son of John of Horseshoe'). He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1562 as under 21 and he inherited Wood Place in Waldron. He later moved to Berwick, Sussex. John maybe possibly married Mary Payne of Berwick (see ref 1 G v below) on 21st March 1593 (sureties, Edward Paine of Berwicke, yeoman, and Walter Wood of Arlington, yeoman). John left a 'Will' dated 9th June 1597 and died in about July 1597 in Berwick, Sussex. (see also archives items 7,8,9). John had at least one child.
        1. John Payne was born in about 1593 possibly in Waldron (or Berwick), Sussex. He was mentioned in archive item 9 in the sale of Woodplace, Waldron in 1606 and was shown as the son of John Payne of Berwick, and as a blacksmith in Willingdon, Sussex. He possibly married Joan Russell on 20th April 1613 in Willingdon, Sussex (Licence issued on 19th April in Lewes- John shown as Yeoman of Selmeston and Joan of Willingdon). Joan was buried on 23rd February 1622 in Willingdon, Sussex. John & Joan had one child.
          1. Mary Payne was baptised on 27th June 1619 in Willingdon, Sussex (dau of John).
      2. Mary Payne was born in about 1561 possibly in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1562.
    2. Elizabeth Payne was born in about 1530 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1555.
    3. Thomas Payne was born in about 1532 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1555 and in his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1562.
    4. Katherine Payne was born in about 1534 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1555 and in her brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1562.
    5. Ales Payne was born in about 1536 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1555.
    6. Tomazyn Payne was born in about 1538 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1555.
    7. Edward Payne was born in about 1540 probably in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1555 (as under age 21) and he inherited Selwyns in Waldron. He was also mentioned in his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1562. He later moved to Berwick, Sussex (archive item 7) . He was overseer to his nephew John Payne's 'Will' of 1597 (see archives items 7,8,9 - shown as Edward Payne of Berwicke, yeoman).
      Note: further evidence is required to prove definitively the link between Edward of East Dean and Edward of Waldron. Edward had possibly eight children.
      1. Agnes Payne was buried on 1st February 1561 in East Dean, Sussex ('dau of Edward').
      2. Joan Payne was buried on 1st February 1561 in East Dean, Sussex ('dau of Edward').
      3. John Payne was baptised on 24th June 1562 in East Dean, Sussex (son of Edward) and was buried there on 23rd August 1573 ('son of Edward').
      4. Edward Payne was mayby possibly born in about 1564 in East Dean, Sussex. Edward possibly married firstly Elizabeth (note there were also a Edward & Leticia (1595/96) and a Edward & Anne (1609-1615) in East Dean, but were probably a son of Robert Payne or vice versa). Elizabeth was buried on 3rd November 1589 in East Dean, Sussex ('wife of Edward'). He married secondly Joan. Joan was buried on 21st March 1596 in East Dean, Sussex ('widow of Edward'). Edward was buried on 10th October 1592 in East Dean, Sussex.
      5. Mary Payne was baptised on 14th October 1566 in Waldron, Sussex (dau of Edward). Mary maybe possibly married John Payne (see ref 1 A i above) on 21st March 1593 (sureties, Edward Paine of Berwicke, yeoman, and Walter Wood of Arlington, yeoman).
      6. Eleanor Payne was baptised on 6th February 1569 in Waldron, Sussex (dau of Edward).
      7. Anne Payne was baptised on 16th December 1571 in Waldron, Sussex (dau of Edward). She possibly married Thomas Walker. (License issued at Lewes on 8th March 1595 -Thomas Walker of shown of Bedingham, yeoman, & Anne Payne of Seaforde, virgin : sureties, said T. W. and Edward Payne of Berrycke, yeoman).
      8. Thomas Payne was baptised on 21st February 1574 in Waldron, Sussex (son of Edward). He was possibly executor to his cousin John Payne's 'Will' of 1597 (see archive items 7-11, shown as Thomas Payne of Berwicke, yeoman), but may be another Thomas. He married Joan. Thomas was possibly buried on 11th October 1619 in East Dean, Sussex. Thomas & Joan had six children.
        1. Thomas Payne was baptised on 21st February 1600 in East Dean, Sussex (son of Thomas & Johan and living in Berwick) and he was buried there on 12th May 1604 ('son of Thomas & Joan').
        2. Mary Payne was baptised on 3rd February 1605 in East Dean, Sussex (dau of Thomas & Johan).
        3. Thomas Payne was baptised on 26th April 1607 in East Dean, Sussex (son of Thomas & Johan) and he was probably buried there on 12th December 1616 ('the younger').
        4. Francis Payne was baptised on 27th August 1609 in East Dean, Sussex (dau of Thomas & Johan).
        5. Anne Payne was baptised on 9th January 1614 in East Dean, Sussex (dau of Thomas & Johan).
        6. Edward Payne was baptised on 4th August 1616 in East Dean, Sussex (son of Thomas & Johan) and was probably buried there on 1st June 1618 ('infant').
  2. Edward Payne was born in about 1500, possibly in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He is probably shown in the Lay subsidy Rolls of 1524 in the Hundred of Danehill Horsted as being taxed on assets worth £4.He was mentioned in his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1555 as brother & supervisor. Edward had at least one child.
    1. John Payne was born in about 1520. He was mentioned in his uncle John Payne's 'Will' of 1555. Details of John Payne are shown separately as he is a direct ancestor.
      NOTE: This choice of John Payne may be incorrect (see John son of William below). Brambletye & Plawhatch Paynes are in the same area so there is strong likelyhood of a direct link.
  3. Robert Payne was born in about 1500, possibly in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He is possibly shown in the Lay subsidy Rolls of 1524 in the Hundred of Danehill Sheffield as being taxed on assets worth £2.
  4. William Payne was born in about 1510, possibly in Brambletye, East Grinstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his brother John Payne's 'Will' of 1555 (but not specifically shown as brother). William had at least one child.
    1. John Payne was born in about 1530. He was mentioned in his uncle John Payne's 'Will' of 1555.

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Archives:

  1. Taken from 'History of East Grinstead'. the Payne family , descended from John Payne of Plawhatch, was quite distinct from the "Paynes of the towne". They occupied small farms on the extreme south border of our large parish and on the verge of Ashdown Forest; such farms were Plawhatch, Legsheath, Monks-hill, Mawles, Walesbeech and, later, Charlwoods, and all owned by some member of the family of what we may call the Paynes of Legsheath, though they seem to have been earlier known as the Paynes of Plawhatch. A bird's-eye view of John Payne's ancestry may be given as follows, and its connection with farms in the parish gives it special interest:—
    1. John Payne, of Monkshill, Yeoman (probably of Plawhatch in 1562), owned freehold lands called Malls ; buried at East Grinstead as John Payne, senr., of Monkhill, in 1597.
    2. John Payne, of Maules, Yeoman, owned 7 acres at Buncegrove, called Baches, Legsheath and Dockets ; died 1624.
    3. William Payne, of Walesbeech, Yeoman, owned Legsheath, Maules, Dockets ; buried at East Grinstead as William Paine, of
      Walesbeech, 1657.
    4. William Payne, of Maules, Yeoman (5th son), owned Legsheath and Monkshill; died 1658 ; by his will " to be buried at
      East Grinstead."
    5. William Payne, of Legsheath, owned Velvicks; his brothers, Edward and Robert, lived at Maules and Monkshill; buried at
      East Grinstead as Mr. Wm. Payne, of Legsheath, 1727.
    6. John Payne, of Legslieath, Esqre., owned Maules, while his cousin, Edward, owned Monkshill; Sheriff of Sussex 1738 ; buried at East Grinstead as " John Payne, Esq.," 1760.

  2. In 1598, (see Buckhurst Terrier - Sussex Record Society), on a survey of the Manor of Imberhorne, Edward Payne of Monckhill is recorded as a copyholder in the parishes of East Grinstead & Hoathleigh and that he holds by copy dated 12 Nov 2 Eliz, (17 acres) of tenement & garden parcel of Munkhill and two other pieces (17 acres) called "Hothes" & " Marefield" (no bounds) - rent 2s. (note: Elizabeth came to throne in 1558)
  3. Grant  SAS-RF/2/70  20 Apr 1555. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents: By John Payne of Horsshoo in Brambylltie in Eastgrinsted yeoman, to John Payne of Waldron, one of his sons, of the tenement called Wood place and Tanners in Waldron. Seal gone
  4. Similar Copy of Court Roll of the Admission of John Payne  SAS-RF/2/73  22 Jul 1563. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents: Son and heir of John Payne decd. - in the person of his mother Clemence Luxford, the wife of John Luxford and formerly wife of the said John Payne decd. to 5 acres of assert land in Waldron
  5.  Bargain and Sale  SAS-RF/2/67  26 Jan 1550. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents:  By Edward Benton of Iffeld, yeoman, and Anne his wife to John Payne of Brambyltye, yeoman, - for £130 - of all those tenements, lands, meadows, pastures, woods and rents in Waldron called Woodplace and Tanners. Seals gone. Witnesses:- Thos. Byshopp, Edmonde Hylle, John Sayarer, Robert Sayarer
  6. Copy of Court Roll of the Manor of Laughton of Court of John Pelham, esq  SAS-RF/2/72  7 Oct 1561. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office. Contents:  Of Admission of John Payne, son and heir of John Payne decd. to a croft of land containing 5 acres in Waldron, of which the said John Payne the father died seised
  7. Bargain and Sale  SAS-RF/2/75  23 Sep 1597. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents:  By Stephen Dungatt of Eastgrinsted, yeoman, and Thomas Payne of Berwicke, yeoman, executors of the Will of John Payne late of Berwicke, decd., and Edward Payne of Berwicke, yeoman, and Thomas Walker of Bedingham, yeoman, supervisors of the said Will, to John Fuller of Tanners in Waldron, yeoman, - for £370 - of All those freehold messuages, lands and tenements called Woodplace and Tanners, then in the occupation of Isaac Freeman in Waldron. Signatures of the vendors, seals gone. Witnesses:- Wyllam a Woode, Tho. Carew, Robert Carew
  8. Release  SAS-RF/2/77  23 Mar 1600. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents:  By Edward Payne, Thomas Walker, Stephen Dungatt and Thomas Payne to John Fuller - for £215 - of a yearly rent of £15 issuing out of the premises called Woodplace and Tanners in Waldron. Signature, Thomas Payne and two marks, 3 seals
    Witnesses:- Wyllm Jefferaye, John Slater, Tho. Covert
  9. Ratification  SAS-RF/2/78  6 Mar 1606. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  By John Payne of Willingdon, blacksmith, son and heir of John Payne late of Berwick decd. to Stephen Dungat and Thomas Payne, executors, and Edward Payne and Thomas Walker, overseers of the Will of John Payne decd. of the Bargain and Sale of 23 Sept., 1597 of the messuage land and premises called Woodplace and Tanners to John Fuller. Mark of John Payne. Witnesses:- Arthur Pollard, Willyam Reede (mk), Simon Wood (mk)
  10. Grant for £850  SAS/G40/118  3 Jul 1622. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Edward Payne of East Dean, yeoman, and his son Thomas Payne to John Hony of Wilmington, gent Freehold messuage or tenement in Berwick called Broomes with barns, buildings and 84a and 17½ bullock leazes and 88 sheep leazes in the leazes of Berwick belonging to it, occupied by William Levett; meadow in Selmeston called Cobbs Court Field (10a), occupied by William Levett
    W to deed and livery of seisin: William Levett, Thomas Bodle
  11. Final concord  SAS/G40/116  Easter term 1614. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents:  John Hony, querent, and Edward Payne and his wife Leticia and Thomas Payne and his wife Joan, deforciants 2 Messuages, 2 barns, 2 gardens, 2 orchards, 40a of land, 6a of meadow, 40a of pasture, 2a of wood and 10a of furze and heath in Berwick and Selmeston
  12. Survey of the Manor of Tanners in Waldron  SAS-RF/2/111  Oct 1570 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Stephen Pankehurst held freely by charter lands called Selwines containing 29 acres, adjoining land of Alexr. Worge and John Wood, N., W. and S. and to the king's highway from Waldron Church, E.; rent 2s.2d., heriot and relief (Received of John Howell for a heriot in 1619, 10s.)
    Lewes Dipperie, freely by charter, 1½ acres lying to lands of Samuel. . S., E. and W. and the king's street, N.; formerly Earle's of Planter Willards, rent 1d. &c
    Thomas Kenward, freely by charter, 9 Dec., 2 Eliz:, made by John Wincton of Waldorne, carpenter, a messuage, garden and lands called Pookereede containing 12 acres in Walderne; to the king's highway between Walderne and Heathfeld, S. to a croft of the said John Wincton called Forgecroft, W., to a common of Walderne called Walderne Down, N. and to a tenement called Brownes, S & W. rent, 8. &c (Received of Thos. Kenward for 9 years lord's rent, 6s.4d. due 1644.)
    William A Wood. freely, lands called Towners als Downers and Willards Wishe, part of lands formerly Selwine's containing 30 acres lying to lands of John A Wood and Edward Paine, N., W. & S and to the king's highway from Waldron Downe to Waldron Church, E., rent 3s.2d. &c
  13. Survey of the Manor of Tanners  SAS-RF/2/261  Oct 1570. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Made by Edward Worseleye in full court of Sir Thomas Sackvill, knt. Lord Buckehurst, by the oaths of Edward Payne, John a Wood, and Robert Bonewicke
    John Howell holds freely by charter certain lands called Selwines containing 20 ac. adjacent to lands of Edw. Payne and John a Wood, N., W. and S. and to the queen's highway from Waldron Down to Waldron Church, rent 2s.2d., heriot and relief. Thomas Kenward holds freely by charter dated 10 Dec., 2 Eliz. made by John Winckton of Waldrene, carpenter, a messuage or tenement, barn, garden, orchard and another tenement belonging called Pookereede containing 12 acres in Waldron lying to the queen's highway between Waldron and Heithfeld, S., to a croft of the said John Wincton called Fordge Crofte, W., to the common of Waldron called Waldron Downe, N. and E., to a tenement called Brownes, s. and W. Rent...., heriot and relief. John a Wood holds freely by charter land called Towners als Downers and Wallardes Wish, formerly parcel of the land called Selwines, containing 30 acres adjoining to land of the said John a Wood and Edw. Payne, N., W. and S. and to the queen's highway from Waldron Down to Waldron Church, E.; rent 3s. 2d., heriot and relief
  14. Copy of Court Roll of the Manor of Heithfelde of a court of Thomas Sackvill, knt., Lord Buckhurst  SAS-RF/3/173  7 Sep 1574. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Of a Surrender by John Stollion in extremis on 10 May then last, by the acceptance of James Atwoode, beadle in the presence of John Fuller and John Willard, two customary tenants, of a tenement and lands belonging containing 50 acres called Balsocks and another tenement and assert lands containing 50 acres called Myllands Bareland, the Maze and the Nashe in Heithfeld To the use of Edward Payne And Admission of the said Edw. Payne
  15. Similar Copy of Court Roll of Surrender by Edward Payne  SAS-RF/3/174  17 Mar 1580. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Of the said two tenements called Balsocks and Myllands containing 100 acres in Heythfelde To the use of Thomas Osborne, and his Admission. Heriots two oxen, one from the nief land and the other from the assert land
  16. Interrogatories and depositions of witnesses for the defendants  SAS/G3/47  14 Feb 1604 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents
    :  Richard Payne of Eastbourne, yeoman, aged 100; Henry Homwoode of Eastbourne, yeoman, 50; John Peake of Eastbourne, husbandman, 60; Katherine Buckholde of Eastbourne, wife of Robert Buckholde, 60
  17. Plaintiffs' bill  SAS/G3/43  28 Oct 1602 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents
    :  In the Court of Wards and Liveries between Henry Guldeford, kt, Edward Gage, esq and Francis Eyremyn, gent, (committees ofJohn Gage, the queen's ward), v James Payne and his wife Margaret concerning a messuage and 17a of land in Eastbourne which JP claimed as his freehold lands, but which the plaintiffs claimed to be copyhold of the manor of Eckington, late of JohnHowell
  18.  Grant  SAS/PN/257  6 Apr 1599 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office Language:  Latin
    Contents
    :  By NICHOLAS MABBE of Eastborne, to JOAMES BROWNE of Eastbourne, of a messuage or tenement and a rood of land with a barn built thereon in Eastbourne next Lamperslott at Meades, which he lately acquired of John Fowler
    Signature, Nicholas Mabb, and part seal
    Witnesses to deed and livery of seisin:- John Fowler, Robert Payne senr., John Boycatt, Robt. Payne, junr., and Richard Vernon
  19. Grant  SAS/PN/260  17 Sep 1608 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office
    Contents
    :  By ROBERT PAYNE of Eastbourne, yeoman, to JAMES BROWNE of Eastbourne, husbandman, of two parcels of arable land at Meadsy in Eastbourne, viz:- One acre lying in Graynore forlonge to land of John Colstoke and the heirs of John Howell, S., the king's highway leading from Meadsy to Eastdeane, N., And a rood and a half of land in Chaple deane abutting to land of James Gildridge, gent., W. and S., to lands called Heard-land, E., lands of the heirs of Henry Wright, N. and lands of the said Edw. Burton, W. Signature, Robart Payne
    Witnesses to deed and livery of seisin:- John Boykett, James Payne, Richard Vernon
  20. Order by Richard Fuller, gentleman, steward of Edward Burton, esquire of his manor of Eastbourne to the Reeve or Bailiff  SAS-CP/4/167/4  1598 These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office Former reference: SAS/CP 167/4
    Contents:  that James Payne of Medes having given sufficient security in respect of his suit and the return of five cows or their value which he claims that Thomas Baker took and unjustly detained, the cattle be replevied and delivered to the said James
  21. 3 HENRY VII.3265. Robert Payn and John Payn the younger, son of said
    Robert, v. Thomas Alfrey and Margery his wife; a messuage in
    Estgrenested ; to RoBERT and John and heirs of Robert.


Wills:

  1. John Payne (family ref 1) left a 'Will' dated 15th March 1555 which was proved on 7th July 1559. The link is to an abstract of the 'Will'. The 'Will' mentions his wife Joan (Johan); his sons John (executor), Thomas, Edward (under 21); his daughters Elizabeth, Katherine, Ales, Tomazyn; his brothers Edward (& his son John), William (& his son John). Others are William Langrege. Witnesses were John Parker, curat., John Payn senr. and Thomas Cheney. Properties mentioned were Woodplace in Waldron, Selwyns in Waldron.
  2. John Payne (family ref 1 A) left a 'Will' dated 25th February 1562 which was proved on 10th April 1562. The link is to an abstract of the 'Will'. The 'Will' mentions his wife Clemence (executor); his sister Katherine; his brothers Edward, Thomas; his son John; his daughter Mary. Others mentioned were John Purpe??, John Hogatte and Wm. Langrige (Overseers). Properties mentioned were Woodplace in Waldron.

 

 

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  3. Sussex Parish Registers –Ardingly, Cuckfield, East Grinstead, Lindfield, West Hoathly
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