Peter Brown Family History

John Payne (c1360) & Gunnora

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General History

John Payne was probably not one of my direct ancestors but may be related to me as later indirect generations of a direct ancestor.

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John Payne was maybe possibly born in about 1360 in Eastbourne, Sussex. He married Gunnora. John Payne was reeve of the Manor of Eastbourne for the year 1387-88 (see Archives item 6). In 1394 a “feet of fines” referred to John Payne and his wife Gunnora who were granted a rent of 7s for property in Eastbourne (see Archives item 7 a, but also referenced in Bolney Book page 30). He possibly moved to Twineham. The Bolney book (source 3) references a property called Wontleseland, (Wontleseland was located at what is now called Little Hickstead), given by a charter dated 24 March 1415 to several people including John Payne & James Homwode (page 9). John Payne died in about 1415 and the property in Eastbourne went to his son Thomas following a transaction in which Gunnora gave the rent to William Handyman who then returned it in a charter dated 12 January 1416 to Gunnora for life with remainder to her son Thomas. John & Gunnora had possibly three children (but maybe more).

THE STRUCTURE BELOW IS STILL EVOLVING and is probably wrong in parts.

It is an initial attempt to document the early paynes of the area and a large amount of guesswork is involved

Paynes were also in East Grinstead in the 14th century but it is difficult to connect these to later members of the family. William Pain was taxed in East Grinstead at £3.00 in 1327 and again in 1333 for William Payn at £4 9s and again in the Nonae roll of 1340 for 1s 6d. There was a John Payn of Greensted in Sussex, a debtor to William ate Fold, fishmonger of London in 1341(Court of Chancery C/241/119/88) (Source 1).

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John possibly had at least three children, but probably more.

             
  1. John Payne was born in about 1385 probably in Eastbourne, Sussex. John was mentioned in the purchase of various lands in 1419 and the sale of lands in 1429 (see Archives item 8 & 9) and was shown as John Payne of Cuckfield. It was recorded in 1428 in the South Mailing Courts that a John Payne paid 6s for 2a of land in Lindfield and in 1435 2d for the same 2 acres. He possibly had a son.
    1. John Payne was born in about 1420. A John Payne of Cokefeld was referred to in the Bolney Book (page 76) in a charter dated 30 November 1458
  2. Thomas Payne was born in about 1390, probably in Eastbourne, Sussex. In the Bolney book, the property in Eastbourne held by his father (see Archives item 7 a) went on his death to his son & heir Thomas following a transaction in which Gunnora gave the rent to William Handyman who then returned it in a charter dated 12 January 1416 to Gunnora for life with remainder to her son Thomas. In the South Mailing Courts Thomas Payne is recorded as a juror in 1437 and paying 3d for 3a in 1438. Thomas granted the rent by a deed on 10th July 1439 to Thomas Profit & Richard Mann (Bolney Book page 30). Thomas on 12th January 1446 gave Bartholomew Bolne a number of lands consisting of 4 acres in Yaberlond (page 24 & 28). Prior to 1458 Thomas owned land near Medese Common (page 25).
  3. Richard Payne was born in about 1395, probably in Eastbourne, Sussex. The Bolney book (page 2) describes Richard Payne as holding Wontleseland, the property once held by his father John. The Bolney book was written in the 1460’s and it also refers to Wontleseland as "once held by Richard Payn and now being held by the heirs of Richard Payne" (page 2) suggesting Richard had died around 1460. The book (page 1) also describes the leasing of some property which had rights to use a lane on lands of Richard Payne between “Highsteede” and “Ryssebrygge” which can be easily identified on modern maps as Hicksted and Rice Bridge and located exactly where Little Hickstead farm is today. In the South Mailing Courts Richard Payne is recorded as a juror in 1464. Richard maybe had two children
    1. William Payne. William Payne was probably born around 1435. He appeared in a grant dated 1478/9 (Chancery Ancient Deeds C C 146/982 in which Richard Tanner of Lyndfield granted to Richard Mascall the elder, John ate Homwood, William Payne and others all his lands etc in the Parish of Walderne (Waldron). In Richard Tanner’s will of Jun 6 1486 William Payne was affirmed as his feofee. This is the same Richard Tanner who was associated with John Payne of Twineham and probably brother of William. The manner of Tanners in Waldron was also associated with the Paynes of Brambletye in East Grinstead during the 16th century.
      1. Richard Payne was maybe possibly born in about 1460
        1. John Payne was born in about 1490, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. He married Margaret. John left a 'Will' dated 13th April 1545 and was shown as of Hickstead, Sussex. At his death he owned property in Hickstead and also a property in Hurstpierpoint called Chatts (Chates).  This property is a short distance to the northeast of Hickstead.
          1. Richard Payne was born in about 1522, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1545 as executor & residual beneficiary.
          2. John Payne was born in about 1524, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1545 and he inherited property in Hickstead as well as Chates in Hurstpierpoint , but by 1579 the property was in the hands of his brother William. John had at least one child.
            1. Anne Payne was born in about 1560, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She married her distant cousin Edward Payne of East Grinstead (family ref 1) on 23rd October 1583 in Twineham, Sussex ( see also Wallace Henry Hills “History of East Grinstead”-1906 - Anna, his wife, daughter and heir of John Payne, of Hicksted, in Twineham, yeoman, and granddaughter of John Payne, of Hicksted, who died in 1545.). Her descendents formed one of the main branches of the family in East Grinstead. The property known as Little Hickstead Farms was in the hands of Anna and Edward’s descendents into the 19th century. Chates in Hurstpierpoint was occupied by their son Edward in 1641 but by 1673 century was with Wood family. (There is confusion here as Chates was owned by William Payne in 1579. However William's daughter Anne was probably too old to marry Edward as a) her husband was born in 1560, b) she had children in December 1601, c) she died in 1647; thus it is unlikely that she was born before 1560)
          3. Elizabeth Payne was born in about 1526, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1545 as under 20.
          4. William Payne was born in about 1528, probably in Hickstead, Sussex.  He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1545 as under 20. He married Tomsin. He left a 'Will' dated 13th January 1579 and was “of Twynham” but was living in Hurstpierpoint at Chates at the time of his death. William left his property to his son John. William’s other heir was his daughter Anne and John Payne of Lindfield was the overseer of William’s will. John & Tomsin had at least two children.
            1. John Payne was born in about 1550, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1579 as executor and residual beneficiary. John had at least two children.
              1. Jane Payne was born in about 1570, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her grandfather William Payne's 'Will' of 1579 as grandchild, daughter of son John. (as she was left a bullock she must be of a reasonable age)
              2. Anne Payne was born in about 1574, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her grandfather William Payne's 'Will' of 1579 as grandchild, daughter of son John.
            2. Anne Payne was born in about 1553, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1579.
          5. Jane Payne was born in about 1530, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1545 as under 20.
          6. Robert Payne (c1528-1579). was born in about 1532, probably in Hickstead, Sussex.  He was mentioned in his father's 'Will' of 1545 as under 20.
          7. Elizabeth Payne was born in about 1534, probably in Hickstead, Sussex. She was mentioned in her father's 'Will' of 1545 as under 20.
        2. Margaret Payne. She married Richard Michelborn als Mascalls (Source Visistations of the County of Sussex) and was shown as daughter of William Payne
      2. Robert Payne
    2. Thomas Payne of Ardingly was maybe possibly a son of Richard. (see Thomas Payne 1440) This link is very uncertain.

Others:

  1. Roger Payne was born in about 1520 (or earlier).  He had in 1546 been a witness to the will of Richard Blaker of Cuckfield, thus he was born before 1525. He married Alice. Roger left a 'Will' dated 23rd May 1561 and died shortly afterwards. Roger’s widow Alice married John Fairhall (or Verroul) shortly after Roger’s death. John Fairhall’s niece Anne then married Richard Payne, son of John Payne senior of Wickham. The Fairhall’s were from Sunt in Lindfield, located between Wickham and Walstead was owned by the Michelborne als Mascall family. Roger and Alice had two children.
    1. Maryon Payne
    2. Katherine Payne

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Wills:

  1. John Payne (family ref ) left a 'Will' dated 13th April 1545. The link is to a transcript of the 'Will'. The 'Will' mentions his wife Margaret; his sons Richard (executor & residual beneficiary), John, William & Robert (both under 20); his daughters Elizabeth, Jane, Margaret (all under 20). Overseers were John Hopkins & John Lachmar; Witnesses were Sir John Welch Clerk, John Staplegh . Properties mentioned : farme called Chatts lyeing in the pishe of Hyrst. John was of Hickstead.
  2. William Payne (family ref ) left a 'Will' dated 13th January 1579 and was proved on 12th December 1579. The link is to a transcript of the 'Will'. The 'Will' mentions his wife Wife: Tomsin; his son John (executor and residual beneficiary) ; his daughter Anne Payne; his grandchildren Anne & Jane daughters of son John ; his god children Luke Maye, Anne Payne . Others were John Roberte of Twynham, Alice Ffawkenor of Henfield, John Preston the church clerke of Twynham . Overseer was John Paine of Linfield. Witnesses were Lawrence Twyne p’son of Twynham and William Colstill . Properties: Chates in Cuckfield

Archives:

  1. Account of John Payne, reeve of the Manor of Eastbourne  SAS-CP/3/148  1387-1388. These documents are held at East Sussex Record Office Former reference: SAS/CP 148
  2. Feet of Fines:
    1. 18 RICHARD II. 2636. John Payn and Gunnore his wife v. John son of Thomas Brouning of Estbourne and Alice his wife ; 7s. rent in Estbourne ;
      to John Payn and Gunnore. {File 78. No. 19.)
    2. 4 HENRY VI. 2917. John Payn and .John Bolnee v. John Kaynes o£ Erthynglegh and Margaret his wife; a messuage, 400 acres of land, 4 acres of
      wood in Bolnee ; to John and John and heirs of John Bolnee. {File 85. No. 19.
  3. Feoffment from (a) James Homwode to (b) William Garston, John Payn of Cuckfield, John Bolne, John Garston, Thomas Bolne, John Brantrugge, son of John Brantrugge, and John Gratewyk, son of Richard Gratewyk.  SERGISON/1/122  7 January 1419. These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office
    Contents
    :  Land and tenements called Frankelaynes in Wivelsfield, and all other lands and tenements of (a) in Wivelsfield, Cuckfield, Lindfield, Ditchling, Clayton, Keymer, and Crawley purchased of Thomas Frankelaynes. Witnesses: William More, Thomas Masay, John Chaloner, Thomas Worrilforde, Richard Okyngden, and others.
  4. Feoffment from (a) John Payn of Cuckfield and John Bolne to (b) William Sydeney the younger, John Apslee of Dakeham, Richard Okyngdenne, Bartholomew of Bolney, John Langsherer, John Brenterugge, James son of William Garston, John son of William Smethe, and Thomas son of Thomas Hayworth.  SERGISON/1/123  22 May 1429. These documents are held at West Sussex Record Office.
    Contents
    :  Lands and tenements called Frankcleyns in Wivelsfield, Cuckfield, Lindfield, Clayton, Keymer, Ditchling, and Crawley. Witnesses: Thomas Cokefield, John Apslee the elder, John Graunt, Richard Costedel, William Moore, Thomas Masay, Gilbert Homewode, and others.
  5. South Malling Lindfield Walstead Court books - details provided to John Howes by Jeremy Clarke of the Felbridge History Group.
    1. John Payne in 1428 paid 6s for 2a of land in Lindfield and in 1435 2d for the same 2 acres.
    2. Thomas Payne is recorded as a juror in 1437 and paying 3d for 3a in 1438
    3. Richard Payne is recorded as a juror in 1464.
    4. The court books record several Richard Paynes as jurors during the late 15th century. At present it is hard to see if they were all different people or just recorded under different titles. There was a Richard Payne de Bromfeld (or Bromley) recorded between 1474 and 1487, a Richard Payne junior (1477-1493), Richard Payne senior (1478-1494) also Richard Payne in 1498 (possibly identical to Richard junior and presuming the death of Richard Senior)
    5. There was also a Richard Payne senior of the Hothe  who died in 1482 with the following entry
      • “obit. 2 crofts land called fartynghale & fartynghalestrote 5a parcell of le Huddys. 1a in le Denne parcell de Hud_. 2a in le Holebroke adj land of John Chalon on the north and land of John Snelling on west and South and land of John Marte_ on the east. 2a land with dedemayncyfeane on the North, land of Richard Sayer on East, land of Alice at Ree on West and South. 4a land called Westcroft. 1a land called Dawith Hochynicys, land of Richard Sayer on North & East. Ketewyshe apon Ketebroke adj highway
    6. Richard Payne: obit. Holding 1a at Westhoth called Breggerscrofte in Lyndfeld (Huddys is probably now called Huds and lies in the south of West Hoathly near Highbrook and close to lands known to be held by the Paynes in Ardingly).
    7. John Payne of Lindfield who died in 1560 also held lands in Turners Hill at a rent of 9d

 

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  1. John Howes who has written a number of papers on the history of Paynes in Sussex
  2. West Sussex and East Sussex record offices- Archive searches via National Archives
  3. Book of Bartholomew Bolney (Sussex Record Society)
  4. History of East Grinstead by WALLACE HENRY HILLS,1906